1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,000 Tonight on Unidentified, a startling investigation, 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,000 are UFOs that threat to the thousands of commercial 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:12,000 airplanes in our skies, and the millions of passengers 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:13,000 on board? 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,000 Something was coming up underneath me, 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:20,000 unverifiable, unidentifiable, but undeniable. 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,000 Airline pilots once afraid to speak out. 8 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,000 If you even uttered a word of this, 9 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,000 you were going to lose your career, point blank. 10 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,000 What are these objects that are being seen? 11 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,000 It's pulsating too, man. 12 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,000 That is nuts. 13 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,000 From the cockpits of America's airlines. 14 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,000 There's something just passed over. 15 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,000 If one of these did hit one of our airplanes, 16 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,000 it most likely would kill everybody on board. 17 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:47,000 Everything we know about UFOs is changing. 18 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,000 Thanks to a team led by former Pentagon UFO investigator, 19 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:51,000 Lou Elizondo. 20 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,000 That is real, whatever that is. 21 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,000 And former top intelligence official, Chris Mellon. 22 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,000 This is a current continuing phenomenon. 23 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:00,000 It's happening. 24 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,000 It continues to happen. 25 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,000 They discovered five unique characteristics 26 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,000 that UFOs have in common, called the UFOs. 27 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,000 They discovered five unique characteristics 28 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,000 that UFOs have in common, called the UFOs. 29 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:18,000 They also released groundbreaking videos 30 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,000 that forced the Navy to admit its pilots were coming 31 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,000 face to face with unidentified objects. 32 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,000 The U.S. Navy made a shocking admission today. 33 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,000 Strange flying objects caught on tape 34 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:32,000 by their own fighter pilots are in fact UFOs. 35 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,000 Now a new wave of military witnesses 36 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,000 is coming out of the shadows. 37 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,000 The U.S. Navy has been working on 38 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,000 the first ever U.S. Navy. 39 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,000 Now a new wave of military witnesses 40 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,000 is coming out of the shadows. 41 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,000 I've never seen anything move like that. 42 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,000 Shape, size, speed, it's clearly unidentified. 43 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,000 The team is united on a new mission, 44 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,000 connect the dots to reveal the truth about UFOs. 45 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,000 This thing had no capability, 46 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,000 like anything on Earth. 47 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,000 And warn the world about the dangers 48 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,000 they might represent. 49 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,000 Carl Sagan once famously said, 50 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,000 the names require extraordinary proof. 51 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,000 He was absolutely right. 52 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,000 But now we have the proof. 53 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:28,520 MUSIC 54 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,000 Lou Elizondo is investigating the link 55 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:35,000 between UFOs and commercial airliners. 56 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,000 From his time in government tracking UFO reports, 57 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,000 he knows commercial pilots are seeing something. 58 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,000 But what? 59 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,600 The question is, is there some sort of underlying interest 60 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,740 that these things have potentially 61 00:02:48,740 --> 00:02:49,840 with commercial aircraft? 62 00:02:52,920 --> 00:02:54,960 If pilots are saying they're seeing these things, 63 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:56,120 we have to take it seriously. 64 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,240 Today, Elizondo is meeting with Scott Goodnow, 65 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,000 a pilot for a major airline who is coming forward 66 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,920 for the first time with his own shocking encounter. 67 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,320 Scott, thank you very much for spending this afternoon 68 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:14,640 with me here today. 69 00:03:14,640 --> 00:03:16,320 Sure. 70 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:21,160 So Scott Goodnow is a captain for a major commercial carrier. 71 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:22,920 But he also has military experience 72 00:03:22,920 --> 00:03:25,800 with the United States Air Force also flying. 73 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,680 In this particular case, you kind of get best of both worlds. 74 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:33,640 In October 2016, Goodnow was the pilot of a flight 75 00:03:33,640 --> 00:03:37,000 from Memphis to Los Angeles. 76 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:42,200 His Airbus 320 was carrying nearly 200 passengers. 77 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:43,840 It was just beautiful weather out, 78 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,040 nice smooth conditions. 79 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:46,800 And I was just kind of scanning the sky. 80 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,160 And I was looking back towards the lights of Phoenix. 81 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,600 That's when he says he saw a strange object in the distance. 82 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,080 I noticed a orange spherical shape. 83 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,120 It was brighter than any of the lights on the ground, 84 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:01,960 and brighter than any of the lights in the sky. 85 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:03,240 And it was an unusual position. 86 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:04,720 It was right on the horizon. 87 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,200 It just looked different than anything in the sky. 88 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,400 The center of the aircraft had some sort of an aura around it. 89 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,600 It looked like there was some sort of light 90 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,320 pulsating in the metal case. 91 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,640 Goodnow says the orb suddenly changed course. 92 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,480 It started moving at an angle toward us. 93 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:23,480 It was getting bigger. 94 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,000 I knew the thing was getting closer. 95 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,400 Eventually, it got close enough that I took my phone out 96 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,320 and took a picture of it. 97 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:31,800 You can see the Northwest edge. 98 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:32,560 Holy. 99 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:33,360 Yeah, there it is. 100 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,360 And if you swipe, oh, man. 101 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,640 That was the second photo I took as it was getting closer. 102 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,720 Last third of the three, that was the closest. 103 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,080 And what looks like an aura, some sort of an aura around it, 104 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:51,720 the metal you can kind of see, a stripe of some sort. 105 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,760 The UFO that appeared to be coming straight 106 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,080 for Goodnow's plane was exhibiting one 107 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,600 of the five observables, anti-gravity. 108 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,040 These luminous orbs had been described 109 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,160 as having no control surfaces, no flight surfaces, 110 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,800 no apparent means of propulsion. 111 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:13,640 And you also have this ability to defy Earth's natural gravity. 112 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,600 I know it's hard to explain from a cockpit 113 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,080 the size something is, but how big? 114 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,440 When it got close to us, it looked significantly 115 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:22,560 bigger than us. 116 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,680 I've seen a lot of airplanes that are somewhat close to us. 117 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,160 And they looked much smaller than this thing. 118 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:30,160 You're at 36,000 feet. 119 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:30,920 What was your airspeed? 120 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,640 Well, approximately 500 to 20 miles per hour. 121 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,000 Captain Goodnow called air traffic control, 122 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,440 but they said they couldn't see any object on their radar 123 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,240 near his plane. 124 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,400 Literally as quickly as I saw it, it just disappeared, 125 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,160 like a light in a room being turned off. 126 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,600 Could what Goodnow saw be a conventional object? 127 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:00,520 Or is it something else? 128 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:04,120 There are an extraordinary number of drone sightings 129 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,600 being reported these days by commercial airline pilots. 130 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:12,760 They're typically easy to distinguish from UAP or UFO 131 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,360 reports. 132 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,360 To Chris Mellon, this object was not performing like a drone. 133 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,360 They're typically only a few hundred to a couple of thousand 134 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,240 feet in elevation. 135 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,760 They're a foot or two across. 136 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,440 They're moving at slow speeds. 137 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,400 Elizondo recently investigated a similar object 138 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:36,760 seen by an airline pilot off the South American coast. 139 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,920 The orb wasn't red, but shared other characteristics 140 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,760 with the one seen by Goodnow. 141 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:48,320 I saw this bright light, and I was like, OK, what is this? 142 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,480 I got to see this circular shape. 143 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,440 It started moving in a wave pattern, 144 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:58,520 from left to right, right to left. 145 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,960 You don't see wings and control surfaces and ailerons. 146 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,880 What you see is this object that seems 147 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,960 to be surrounded in this fuzzy glow. 148 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:12,000 There are enough observations and similarities 149 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,360 that we may be dealing with related technologies. 150 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,080 In fact, what we perceive as visible light 151 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,480 is actually a Doppler shift of energy. 152 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,720 What we are perceiving is a shifting of the light 153 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,120 in the visible spectrum. 154 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,720 And so that's why maybe some of these orbs 155 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,320 have different colors. 156 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,640 There is a legitimate safety issue. 157 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:35,400 There have been close calls. 158 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,280 The commercial pilots have reported also 159 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,680 the potential for mid-air collisions is increasing. 160 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,520 This stuff needs to be disclosed. 161 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,760 Goodnow is not alone. 162 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,880 Over the past few years, there have been several high-profile 163 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:56,640 encounters between UFOs and commercial aircraft. 164 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,640 In March 2020, the captain and co-pilot 165 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,400 of an airliner en route to Memphis, Tennessee, 166 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,120 captured video of this unknown object over Mexico. 167 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:08,760 It's like an orb, man. 168 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,680 Look at that. 169 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,400 And you saw it drop out of the sky and just stop? 170 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,400 That's a huge spark. 171 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:17,800 That is a spark. 172 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,280 That is a unidentified flying object, bro. 173 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,560 In 2018, in the skies over Arizona, 174 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:29,600 two pilots reported a mysterious craft racing overhead. 175 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,600 Is anybody above us to pass us like 30 seconds ago? 176 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,440 Yeah, something just passed over us. 177 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,800 I don't know what it was. 178 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,320 Months earlier, two F-15s were scrambled 179 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,920 after multiple commercial pilots reported another fast-moving 180 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:45,160 unidentified object. 181 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,920 And like many pilots, Goodnow didn't just have one encounter. 182 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,520 He had another sighting years earlier in the skies 183 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,080 over Las Vegas that baffles him to this day. 184 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,200 Scott Goodnow is a former US Air Force pilot 185 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,640 who now flies for a major airline. 186 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,240 His encounter with a UFO raises troubling safety questions 187 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,800 about unidentified objects near passenger planes. 188 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,880 Now, Goodnow reveals he's had more than one encounter. 189 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,560 In December of 2009, he was first officer 190 00:09:32,560 --> 00:09:35,200 on a flight preparing to land in Las Vegas 191 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,720 when another strange object appeared in the sky. 192 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,920 We started descent into Las Vegas. 193 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,040 It was around 11 o'clock PM. 194 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:48,440 And we had a visual encounter with the only way 195 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:49,640 it could describe it. 196 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,040 It's like a giant radio antenna. 197 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,480 But this antenna was as high as we were. 198 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,880 We were at 35,000 feet at the time. 199 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,960 And it had droplet lights. 200 00:09:59,960 --> 00:10:01,840 It was stationary. 201 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:03,280 And I was the first one to see it, 202 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,120 simply because it was right at our 12 o'clock PM. 203 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:07,920 So straight off the nose. 204 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:09,960 How many people were with you that day on that flight 205 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:10,960 in the cockpit? 206 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:11,960 I just one pilot. 207 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,240 He was pretty concerned because our trajectory was, 208 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,800 we were going right at it. 209 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:21,120 At 35,000 feet, Goodnow and his pilot 210 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,040 are heading right toward the object. 211 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:28,840 What was the distance between you and that object that you saw? 212 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:30,040 Within 20 miles. 213 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:30,840 OK. 214 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:32,320 So close enough to really get a piece of it? 215 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,000 Yeah, close enough that we were getting nervous. 216 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:35,400 OK. 217 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,200 Imagine flying at the speed you guys fly. 218 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:38,400 20 miles comes up pretty quick. 219 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,760 It does. 220 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,760 He's got to make a split decision as to, first of all, 221 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,960 identify what the hell it is. 222 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:47,920 And second of all, can I avoid it? 223 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,320 Is it in my way? 224 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,320 He's got the lives of 200 other souls 225 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,440 sitting in the back of his aircraft. 226 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,080 Goodnow and his pilot take a base of action. 227 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:01,440 They are an aircraft. 228 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:06,280 They are an aircraft that is not super highly maneuverable. 229 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:07,760 It's not responsive. 230 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,120 It's not nimble. 231 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,280 It's designed for comfort and safety, 232 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:16,640 not to take evasive maneuvers and pull a 5G turn 233 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,520 and avoid a collision. 234 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,480 We did get a vector off course from air traffic control 235 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,240 because we didn't want to hit this thing. 236 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:25,520 That's interesting. 237 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,720 What was their reaction when you radioed into air traffic? 238 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:30,840 I don't know if he understood what I was asking for 239 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:32,360 because usually when we ask for radar vectors, 240 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:33,240 it's because of weather. 241 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:34,880 What was the atmosphere conditions at that? 242 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:35,880 Clear skies. 243 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,720 What was your visibility? 244 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,520 Clear and a million. 245 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,240 I got to ask the obvious question. 246 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,760 How do we know that maybe it wasn't just ambient light 247 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:45,560 and the cockpit? 248 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:46,360 Sure. 249 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,040 That was reflecting off of the cockpit window, 250 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:50,520 and that's what you're seeing. 251 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:51,880 One of the first things we did, we actually 252 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,160 turned all the lights, interior lights, and the cockpit down 253 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,400 to make sure that we could debunk any ambient lights that we 254 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,280 were seeing reflecting off the windshield. 255 00:11:58,280 --> 00:11:59,640 And when we turned all the lights down, 256 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,120 that's when we were able to get a good look 257 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,480 at the lights in front of us that we were looking at. 258 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,880 Some folks may ask, OK, maybe they're helicopters. 259 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:09,280 First of all, I know that helicopters just 260 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:10,640 can't get up to 35,000. 261 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,480 Conventional helicopters just can't get that high. 262 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:13,360 Sure. 263 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,280 And I ended up querying air traffic control about it. 264 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,320 And air traffic control contacted Nellis Air Force Base 265 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,800 approach control because we were close to their airspace. 266 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,840 Nearby Nellis Air Force Base confirms they have nothing 267 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:28,960 on their scopes. 268 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,800 But then another airplane radios into air traffic control. 269 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,320 Shortly after, an American Airlines flight from the South 270 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:36,960 asked the same questions. 271 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:38,240 They made a call to air traffic control 272 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,840 and said that we see the same thing. 273 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:42,080 And they were coming from the opposite. 274 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,200 So they were south of the object, we were north of the object. 275 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:45,080 Oh, that's interesting. 276 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:45,880 OK. 277 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,200 So two different perspectives, same story. 278 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:52,200 At any time were you or the American Airlines or air traffic 279 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,880 control able to get a radar hit on this thing? 280 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:56,640 None. 281 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:57,880 Were any reports filed? 282 00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:59,880 I did file something. 283 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:01,520 Never heard back. 284 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,280 And I hear from other pilots that did the same thing, 285 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,560 that that's kind of a common thing. 286 00:13:08,560 --> 00:13:12,440 When you make these calls or you file these reports, 287 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,120 there are never follow-ups. 288 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:15,960 I haven't experienced a follow-up. 289 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:17,760 I have no people that have done it, 290 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,800 never experienced a follow-up. 291 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:24,200 I think that's pretty frustrating. 292 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,240 As a pilot responsible for hundreds of passengers, 293 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,760 Goodnow believes there's too much at stake 294 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,040 to stay in the shadows. 295 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,280 If one of these did hit one of our airplanes, 296 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,920 most likely would kill everybody on board. 297 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,400 Goodnow says he doesn't know why no one followed up 298 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,360 on his report. 299 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,760 But what is known is that the Las Vegas area is a hotspot 300 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,000 for UFO sightings. 301 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,760 Las Vegas is less than 100 miles from area 51, 302 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,600 the US government testing ground for highly classified 303 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:00,040 experimental aircraft. 304 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,640 Could what Goodnow saw have been classified military 305 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,760 technology? 306 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:09,120 Out in Groom Lake, area 51, there was a lot of new stuff 307 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,160 that had come out in the Black World programs 308 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,520 that were highly classified. 309 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,640 Bill Scott is a former Air Force Flight Test Engineer, 310 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:22,520 an expert on secret US military technology. 311 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,200 Engineers, scientists had a chance to try a lot 312 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:26,200 of different things. 313 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:30,760 So there was a full gamut of objectives, of needs. 314 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,200 So they tried these different shapes. 315 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,880 Mr. Goodnow is describing what looked to him 316 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,560 like some sort of antenna structure. 317 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,200 The question is, was it an antenna? 318 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,480 Or was it something entirely different? 319 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,320 It's not the first time I heard about an antenna-like 320 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,440 structure in the sky. 321 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:49,760 Are they related? 322 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,400 Because they're in the Black World, 323 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,800 they're still very classified. 324 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,680 And we know for a fact, out in Groom Lake, area 51, 325 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:59,480 there were tons of sightings. 326 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,120 Could that explain some of the phenomenon that people 327 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:03,480 are reporting over the years? 328 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,120 Elizondo sits down with fellow team members, 329 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,800 all government insiders, to review his story. 330 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:18,800 They examined the 2016 encounter with an unidentified orb 331 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,040 over Phoenix. 332 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,600 Within a few minutes, the thing that was parallel with him, 333 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:24,840 he was here. 334 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,440 And close enough, it was sort of 20 miles away, 335 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:31,080 is now five miles away, and it's actually passing them up. 336 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,240 What data are we consistently getting from these guys? 337 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:35,680 So we have a test anomaly. 338 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,360 So we're getting these orbs that pulsate their light. 339 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,360 They disappear like that, either blink out, 340 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,600 or they seem to go to the horizon. 341 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,960 There is this weird aura around them 342 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,800 that we have continued to see over and over and over again 343 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:50,160 with other reports. 344 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:51,880 In this particular case, he got a photograph, 345 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,280 of it. 346 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:59,120 What I'm trying to do for us is try to cast a wide net. 347 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,120 It's great to have folks like a commercial pilot, 348 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,720 who's also military, coming out and saying these things 349 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,800 on camera, who's still a commercial pilot, right now, 350 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:09,800 flying. 351 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:11,960 Aware of the dangers in speaking up, 352 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,000 most pilots remain silent. 353 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,560 Can I have a risk for him in a certain sense? 354 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:16,560 It is a risk. 355 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,080 It is saying, look, there's a lot of taboo. 356 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,400 There's a lot of stigma associated with this. 357 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:21,800 A lot of guys don't want to come forward, 358 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,360 because they don't want to be taken off flight status. 359 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:25,360 Would that happen? 360 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,880 They literally reporting this, who could potentially 361 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:28,880 get taken off flight? 362 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:29,880 Absolutely, you could. 363 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,680 Crazy thing is, when they made close encounters 364 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,160 of the third kind, and in the beginning, 365 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,000 seeing the other pilots, and they go, 366 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:36,880 do you want to report it? 367 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,080 And both pilots in the movie say, no. 368 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:40,080 But here we are. 369 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,920 Pilots are still acting the same way. 370 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:44,840 While many commercial pilots continue 371 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,800 to report sightings of unidentified objects, 372 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:49,840 none have ever appeared to come close enough 373 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:51,640 to strike the plane. 374 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,600 But now, according to one pilot's never-before-heard 375 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,720 testimony, one almost did. 376 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:03,080 I knew that thing was getting closer. 377 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,720 Eventually, it got close enough that I took my phone out 378 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,920 and took a picture of it. 379 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:13,840 After interviewing an airline pilot who 380 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,720 had to take evasive action to avoid hitting a UFO. 381 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:18,320 Thanks for taking the time to be with us today. 382 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:19,320 Thank you so much. 383 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:20,640 I really appreciate it. 384 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,080 Lou Elizondo meets a new pilot who claims a UFO intercepted 385 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,880 his plane in one of the closest alleged encounters 386 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:27,880 on record. 387 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:28,880 Please have a seat. 388 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,360 So I was pretty experienced captain. 389 00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:37,680 Seen a lot. 390 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,680 In the military, I was a knight instructor. 391 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,160 I had a lot of experience under my belt at that point. 392 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,720 Peter Kiriazes flew multiple aircraft, from fighter jets 393 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:50,040 to the Boeing 777 for more than 30 years. 394 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,680 This is a guy who winds up joining the Marine Corps 395 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,160 and becoming a Cobra Attack helicopter pilot. 396 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,920 But then makes a decision to move up 397 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,760 to becoming a Marine Corps fighter pilot. 398 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:04,880 Pete is one of those guys who's trained to actually go 399 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,720 into combat and look for trouble. 400 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:13,040 In 2003, Captain Kiriazes says he had a UFO encounter that 401 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,400 would haunt him for years and underscore 402 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,640 what's at stake for millions of passengers. 403 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,080 It was a little bit after 9-11. 404 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,680 Everybody was a little sensitive. 405 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:31,480 So we felt a little more of a bond to our passengers. 406 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:35,880 It was a beautiful night, no clouds, smooth air. 407 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:37,720 We blasted off from Dallas-Fort Worth. 408 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:39,640 We had one leg left to Charlotte. 409 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,520 The airplane was functioning perfectly. 410 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,120 Got up to 35,000 feet and started cruising. 411 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,720 And everybody just relaxed. 412 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:52,200 And then all of a sudden, I get a radar altimeter display. 413 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,440 And it immediately just pops on. 414 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,120 A radar altimeter is designed to let the pilot know 415 00:18:58,120 --> 00:19:01,200 how close the plane is to the ground. 416 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:02,880 It's a simple system. 417 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,800 It's just emitting a straight vertical radar beam. 418 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:11,200 When you transition to land, it'll go 100 feet, 50 feet, 419 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,200 20 feet, 10 feet. 420 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,960 So at 35,000 feet cruising along, 421 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:20,600 I get a radar altimeter display at 2,500 feet. 422 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,400 It has to bounce off something. 423 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,440 It can't just generate. 424 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,840 Captain Kiryazas is shocked. 425 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:30,880 The altimeter is telling him something 426 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:35,120 is only 2,500 feet directly below his plane. 427 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:38,080 And I'm thinking it's got to be just erroneous. 428 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,440 It's got to be just a mistake. 429 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,600 But then the situation becomes much more serious. 430 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:54,840 So then it goes 22, 23, 20, 18, 17. 431 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:55,760 And then it stops. 432 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,600 The first officers and I just immediately 433 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,000 stabbed to attention. 434 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,360 Some object was coming up underneath me, 435 00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:10,800 unverifiable, unidentifiable, but undeniable. 436 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,200 They've called the tower of Tarris as we see nothing. 437 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:14,800 Radars, nothing on radar. 438 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:16,160 There's nothing squawking. 439 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,880 Squawking is a term that they use for something 440 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,080 that is pinging with a transponder in a frequency 441 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,720 that we can identify as being a friendly aircraft. 442 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,840 Then as the captain and his co-pilot 443 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,680 continue to monitor the radar altimeter, 444 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,360 the mysterious object makes moves again. 445 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:39,640 And then it goes 18, 17, 15, 12, and went to 1,000 feet. 446 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,040 It was behaving in a way that wouldn't really 447 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,640 be logical if it was broken. 448 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,280 So at this point, I'm thinking, well, let's make some turns. 449 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,840 You're allowed to make these shallow S turns 450 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,280 without getting air traffic control busy or upset. 451 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,280 So we made some shallow S turns and kind of trying 452 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,720 to look over our wing and below us or behind us 453 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:02,720 if you couldn't see anything. 454 00:21:04,360 --> 00:21:06,280 He's not willing to jump to any conclusion 455 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:07,400 of what this might be. 456 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,120 He goes through the necessary process of elimination. 457 00:21:10,120 --> 00:21:11,000 OK, could it be this? 458 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:11,720 No, could it be that? 459 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:12,440 No, could it be this? 460 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:13,520 No. 461 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:21,240 And then it went 800, 700, 500, 400, 300, and it stopped. 462 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,560 I mean, the worst possible situation to be in as a captain, 463 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,320 your brain says this can't be happening. 464 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,600 But you have to deal in the here and now in the present. 465 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,320 So then it goes 200. 466 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:34,400 Then it goes 100. 467 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,800 How close is 100 feet when you're flying an aircraft 468 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,840 at 525 miles an hour at 35,000 feet? 469 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:48,840 100 feet is a thumbnail away from where you're at. 470 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,200 And that distance can be close in literally 471 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,160 a fraction of a second. 472 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,520 The worst case scenario is not even thinkable. 473 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,240 You have the responsibility of all these lives. 474 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,320 You have to make a split second decision coming soon, 475 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,480 and you have nothing to base it on but one bit of information. 476 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,160 If Captain Kiriyazas' readings are correct, 477 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:14,760 something is flying directly under his plane and closing in. 478 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,120 With nearly 100 passengers on board, 479 00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:19,800 he readies himself to take control. 480 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,400 If you've ever seen a jet, they've got a little button here. 481 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,320 It's called the autopilot button. 482 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,080 My thumb was hovering over the autopilot button. 483 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,960 I said, if it gets inside 100 feet, I'm going to maneuver. 484 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,080 Captain Kiriyazas keeps his eyes locked 485 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,320 on the altimeter reading of 100 feet. 486 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:37,240 It just stayed there. 487 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,080 It seems just eternal. 488 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:40,200 It was just so long. 489 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,960 And then it just went away. 490 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:51,200 And at that point, our heart rate's going pretty fast. 491 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,640 And we thought, what the heck just happened? 492 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,520 A short time later, the flight lands in Charlotte, 493 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,400 and Captain Kiriyazas begins looking for answers. 494 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,120 I checked the logbook on that airplane. 495 00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:05,880 It never had happened before. 496 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,920 And in all the 30 years of flying with a radar altimeter, 497 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,440 it has never happened. 498 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,480 With anybody I've ever talked to, it's never happened. 499 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,560 Experts are at a loss as to what could 500 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,080 have been beneath the plane. 501 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:24,440 I've talked to some very brilliant pilots, Air Force Academy, 502 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:25,760 Naval Academy. 503 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,080 And I've posed this to them many times. 504 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,240 And no one can really give me a good answer. 505 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,400 And so the conclusion is there's something else 506 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,640 with a technology that's much more sophisticated than ours 507 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,360 that's operating with an additional set 508 00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:43,880 of physical laws and rules. 509 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,080 Pilots like Captain Kiriyazas will never 510 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,480 forget what they saw. 511 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,280 And they aren't the only ones seeing UFOs near passenger 512 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:50,880 airliners. 513 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,720 Air traffic controllers, the eyes on the ground, 514 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,760 are coming forward with chill and testimony. 515 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,800 Howdy, Robert. 516 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,800 Thank you very much for joining us today. 517 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,680 Lou Elizondo is meeting with Robert Schlingker, 518 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,000 an air traffic controller who was trained in the military. 519 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,760 For more than 30 years, Schlingker 520 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:28,360 has guided thousands of commercial planes to safety. 521 00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:32,760 On May 25, 1995, Schlingker arrived for his shift 522 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,280 in Albuquerque, New Mexico to learn 523 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,160 that an airline pilot had reported to UFO just minutes 524 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,840 earlier to air traffic controllers on the outgoing shift. 525 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,880 The evening shift guy, he gives us a briefing. 526 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:49,520 He's saying, hey, this guy sees something out there. 527 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,160 Don't know what it is. 528 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,640 Not long after the incident, an independent civilian UFO 529 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:59,160 organization created a report on a strange encounter. 530 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,920 They also uncovered audio tapes of conversations 531 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,960 between the pilot and air traffic controllers. 532 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,720 The pilot said they had lights in the middle with strobes 533 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:17,400 on the end. 534 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:18,720 They were scar-shaped. 535 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:21,680 It was horizontal. 536 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,360 And it was about 300 to 400 feet long. 537 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,000 There's nothing painting. 538 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,000 Painting is a term that they use. 539 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,600 That if a radar can hit something and get a signature off 540 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,360 of, that object has been painted. 541 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:48,280 The object is displaying one of the five observables 542 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,120 known as low-observability, the ability for an object 543 00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:54,720 to cloak or conceal itself. 544 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,520 Is something here? 545 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,800 A permanent. 546 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,240 No one knows anything about it. 547 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:02,640 What's the atmosphere about? 548 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:03,120 I don't know. 549 00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:04,960 Probably around 30,000 or so. 550 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,680 And it's a pretty drill that starts 551 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,080 going on kind of clockwise. 552 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,240 And the wings are unbelievable. 553 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,480 So you have pilot testimony up here saying, 554 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:17,640 they're seeing something. 555 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,440 And OK, well, could it be an aircraft? 556 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:21,840 There are some airships. 557 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:22,880 There are some dirgeables. 558 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,200 But they do not fly at 30,000 feet. 559 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,880 And they're still not 400 feet long. 560 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,880 Schlingker takes over the shift and continues 561 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,400 to investigate the reported UFO. 562 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,120 Now it's Robert's job to figure out what the hell it is. 563 00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:40,000 So what does he do? 564 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,760 They get on the horn with folks like Norrad. 565 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,760 They say, hey, are you seeing this as well? 566 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,080 Norrad is the North American Air Defense Command. 567 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,640 It's a joint US-Canada Defense Organization established 568 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,880 in 1957 as an early warning system in case 569 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,400 of a Soviet nuclear attack. 570 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,320 So this audio file actually has your voice on it? 571 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,280 Yes. 572 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,240 Schlingker explains to the Norrad operator 573 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,160 exactly what the airline pilot reported seeing. 574 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,360 Where is it at again? 575 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:12,880 It's at Tukumkuri, New Mexico. 576 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:18,160 It's about 150 miles to the east of Albuquerque. 577 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,840 We don't have anything going on that I know of. 578 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,600 Yeah, we've tried everybody else. 579 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:23,920 Nobody else's. 580 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,880 This guy definitely saw it run all the way down 581 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,000 the side of the airplane. 582 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,960 So it was a pretty interesting thing. 583 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,800 OK, it was at 30,000 feet. 584 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,080 30,000 feet. 585 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,040 It was like long. 586 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,480 Yeah, it's right out of the X-Files. 587 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,160 I mean, it's a definite UFO or something like that. 588 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,960 Oh, y'all are serious about this. 589 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,840 Yeah, he's real serious about it. 590 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,440 He says, yeah, like Fox Mulder X-Files UFO. 591 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,600 It does not fit any normal profile or characteristic 592 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,920 of any known aircraft. 593 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,560 How long did he think it was? 594 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,560 He said he was 300 to 400 foot long. 595 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,360 Oh, no. 596 00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:59,240 The Norrad operator tells Schlingker 597 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,760 they don't see anything on their radar. 598 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,280 But then, a short time later, he gets a call. 599 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,160 Yeah, we had some a call here earlier about a pilot 600 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,840 spotting an unidentified flying object. 601 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:11,840 Yeah, that's us. 602 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,040 OK, well, hey, we're tracking a search-only track kind of 603 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,480 where that might have happened. 604 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,240 It's about 10 degrees off of what you gave me before 605 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,120 and about 80 miles off. 606 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:22,960 It's tracking about 390 knots. 607 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,440 We've been tracking it for about three, four minutes now. 608 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:26,680 That means to be going that fast, 609 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,080 we've got to be up kind of high. 610 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,000 And you got no code on it, huh? 611 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,560 Nope, it's search-only. 612 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,680 Search-only means the object wasn't 613 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,800 emitting a transponder code, which is used to identify 614 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:42,840 aircraft and help avoid mid-air crashes. 615 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:48,400 And ultimately, the mysterious cigar-shaped UFO disappears. 616 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,400 It wasn't the only time civilian air traffic controllers 617 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,160 guiding commercial airliners turned to Norrad 618 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,880 when tracking an object on their scopes they can't identify. 619 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,640 Hey, Jim, how are you? 620 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:02,760 I'm doing wonderful, Chris. 621 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,600 Nice to see you. 622 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,120 Colonel Jim Cobb was the senior command director 623 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:13,120 at Norrad's Cheyenne Mountain in Colorado from 2004 to 2008. 624 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:17,600 Norrad is responsible for North American airspace. 625 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,360 They have a network of sensors and resources, 626 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,840 millions of tracks a year. 627 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,720 If there's any single one that is unidentified, 628 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,440 they try to account for it. 629 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,560 Cheyenne Mountain is a critical part of Norrad's airspace 630 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,000 surveillance operations. 631 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,400 The command center is carved deep into the rock 632 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,640 to protect the United States against a nuclear attack. 633 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,400 I think it's very significant that Colonel Cobb is willing 634 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,360 to speak because this kind of phenomenon is very real 635 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,240 and warrants more attention than it's getting. 636 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,360 In 2008, Colonel Cobb arrived for duty 637 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,600 and found the command center pulsing with activity. 638 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,480 As I walked into the command center, 639 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,640 the track had already been detected. 640 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,680 The feeling from the command center 641 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:12,920 was that it was in the extreme northeast of the Norrad airspace 642 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,080 and gained interest to the civilians. 643 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,840 Civilian air traffic controllers in the northeast 644 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,960 had picked up an unidentified object on their radar scopes 645 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,920 near the coast of Canada, heading south into American airspace. 646 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,120 It's on a path not far from the one taken 647 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,200 by dozens of passenger planes coming from Europe to the US. 648 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,720 The entire room was standing. 649 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,040 It's not unusual to have an unknown track. 650 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,360 And it's usually, the vast majority of the time, 651 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,440 resolved fairly quickly. 652 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,000 Some kind of equipment degradation, 653 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,840 or you can piece together where they are, 654 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,440 where they may be going. 655 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,400 This had none of that. 656 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,200 Was the track following a conventional flight 657 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:01,160 profile in terms of speed, altitude, direction? 658 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:06,080 No, it was essentially east coast, north to south. 659 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:11,160 It did not have any electronic encoding 660 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,960 that if it was a civilian airliner, 661 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,400 you would get feedback from their transponder. 662 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:21,120 Do you recall by chance what altitude or speed 663 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,880 this object was moving? 664 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,880 It did not give any readout. 665 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,680 And I was not privy to the ground speed. 666 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:33,200 It did not paint an altitude or any identifying features. 667 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,240 So that's all we had to go. 668 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,520 As this unknown object continued down the east coast, 669 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,160 NORAD commanders are confronted with the question, 670 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:48,240 is this UFO a threat to the US or other air traffic? 671 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,040 And if so, how to respond? 672 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:56,120 In 2008, Colonel Jim Cobb was on duty at NORAD's command 673 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,600 center in Colorado. 674 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,560 When a UFO was tracked in the US airspace along the east coast, 675 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,520 not far from a busy corridor used 676 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,520 by dozens of commercial airlines flying in from Europe 677 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:07,880 each day. 678 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,000 After repeated attempts to identify the target failed, 679 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,960 NORAD commanders were left with only one choice. 680 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,560 Commander NORAD initiated a scramble. 681 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,160 Commander NORAD initiated a scramble. 682 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,440 And as such, the alert forces in the northeast 683 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,840 launched in pursuit of the unknown train 684 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:31,120 to chase it or to identify it down the coast. 685 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,600 The fighter jets are scrambled, but can't find the target. 686 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,920 After the initial assets were launched, 687 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,200 subsequent alert fighters down the coast 688 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,120 were also launched in an attempt to gain some kind 689 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,400 of identification of the track. 690 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,600 Every squadron that's searched along the coast 691 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,680 for the target comes up empty. 692 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,440 Were they able to get a visual or radar lock on at any point? 693 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,240 No, not at all. 694 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,320 What do you attribute that to? 695 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,000 Range, speed, possibly altitude. 696 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,120 Again, from a group of interceptors all the way down, 697 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,120 nobody caught it. 698 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,800 And then it exited out over the Caribbean, is that right? 699 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,800 Yes, that is correct. 700 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,360 It went all the way down the eastern seaboard 701 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,400 until it exited the airspace that is 702 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,200 civilian tour monitoring. 703 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,040 And then all of a sudden, the room got real quiet. 704 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:31,680 And a lot of people were going, no clue, no clue what it is. 705 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,280 No one was ever able to find an explanation for the incident. 706 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,200 But what Elizondo and Chris Mellon are discovering 707 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,080 is that these UFO sightings are often near heavily 708 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,680 trafficked commercial flight paths. 709 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,840 On the west coast, most commercial flights 710 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,880 make the journey to Asia on a route that 711 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,600 takes them over the northwest in Alaska. 712 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,360 By the way, we've had reports in the past 713 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,200 that Alaska does tend to be a hotspot for UFOs. 714 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,480 With so many airlines flying that Pacific corridor, 715 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:04,560 is there potential for a mid-air impact with a UFO? 716 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,680 To gather more data, Elizondo is meeting 717 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,680 with a civilian contractor who saw something 718 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,960 while working in Alaska, but still works closely 719 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,560 with a government agency and wants to remain anonymous. 720 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,680 I do know that there are consequences 721 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,720 for coming on camera. 722 00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:26,360 They are still involved with a US federal agency in aviation, 723 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,440 and they've got a lot to lose. 724 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,760 In 1999, this unnamed witness and two other workers 725 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,240 were sent to Repair and Navigation 726 00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:40,120 Beach near Cold Bay in Alaska's remote Aleutian Islands. 727 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:45,560 The navigation system at Cold Bay is very, very critical. 728 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,720 And so when that navigation source is down, 729 00:34:47,720 --> 00:34:50,160 it can lead to a lot of delays. 730 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,720 And plus, it's used as a waypoint for flights 731 00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:56,640 that are overheading Cold Day as well. 732 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,320 It was our very first day going out there for this retrofit. 733 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,280 And you could see volcanoes and glaciers 734 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,320 everywhere, not a cloud in the sky. 735 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,840 The over 9,000-foot tall Mount Shashalden 736 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,440 towered on the horizon. 737 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,080 My coworker and I are parked in the truck 738 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:16,320 looking at the Shashalden volcano when a silver, metallic, 739 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,600 shiny disk came at a high rate of speed approaching 740 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,320 from the right. 741 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,120 We watched it probably for about five miles. 742 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,120 It took just seconds to cover that distance, 743 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:27,880 and then it came to an abrupt, sudden stop 744 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,800 at the base of Shashalden. 745 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,520 They say they gazed in astonishment 746 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,960 at the stationary, shiny disk for over a minute. 747 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,080 The disk then makes another rapid move. 748 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,560 Suddenly, it shot vertically up in the air 749 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,120 towards the top of the volcano. 750 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,600 And again, it stopped there abruptly for a minute, 751 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,560 maybe two minutes. 752 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,160 And then it zoomed off and didn't leave no contrail. 753 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:53,520 I mean, it was just gone. 754 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,000 I don't know how the object did what it did, 755 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,720 but I seen with my own two eyes. 756 00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:01,720 Now, I've heard this before. 757 00:36:01,720 --> 00:36:03,720 And as he's telling me this, I'm actually 758 00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:07,200 starting to get chills because I am now reliving 759 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,720 several other events where people have told me 760 00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:11,720 the exact same thing. 761 00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:15,160 I think the observables here are instantaneous acceleration. 762 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,720 I think it's hypersonic velocity. 763 00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:19,720 And maybe even trans-medium travel, 764 00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:23,720 if it did indeed wind up going from an atmospheric environment 765 00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:24,720 to a near-vacuum environment. 766 00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:27,720 Eventually, we looked at it and we 767 00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:30,720 looked at each other and said, did you see what I just saw? 768 00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:31,720 And we both agreed. 769 00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:35,720 We'd seen what we saw and went on about our business. 770 00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:38,720 The technicians also agreed to stay quiet. 771 00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:42,720 We've talked about it amongst ourselves over the years, 772 00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:46,720 but we've never talked to anybody else for a fear of retribution 773 00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:49,720 or getting our clearances pulled or something such as that. 774 00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:52,720 There's no potential upside. 775 00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:55,720 Many people until they've experienced it or witnessed it 776 00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:58,720 themselves are disbelievers. 777 00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:00,720 They think you're crazy or something. 778 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:04,720 But having seen it, that certainly made me a believer. 779 00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:08,720 Elizondo believes the time has come for all civilian pilots 780 00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:14,720 and contractors who have witnessed UFOs to come out of the shadows. 781 00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:17,720 But can he get anyone to take action? 782 00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:20,720 LOOL 783 00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:25,720 Loo Elizondo has been investigating the connection between UFOs 784 00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:28,720 and commercial aircraft, 785 00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:33,720 speaking to commercial pilots about their harrowing encounters. 786 00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:38,720 And I noticed a orange spherical type shape that just caught my eye. 787 00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:43,720 When it got close to us, it looked significantly bigger than us. 788 00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:47,720 There was an object coming up underneath my aircraft rapidly. 789 00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:50,720 Your brain says this can't be happening, 790 00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:53,720 but you have to deal in the here and now, in the present. 791 00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:58,720 When you go up into a situation where you have nothing to go on 792 00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:00,720 and you have to kind of make it up as you go, 793 00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:02,720 that's not a good place to be. 794 00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:07,720 With tens of thousands of commercial flights taking off around the world each day, 795 00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:12,720 will more pilots come forward with accounts of UFO sightings? 796 00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:17,720 I've had information from other pilots 797 00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:20,720 given to me about things that they've seen and done 798 00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:23,720 that it just seems to be just overwhelming. 799 00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:26,720 It's getting to the point now where this isn't a surprise. 800 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:28,720 It's a brave new world, guys. 801 00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:31,720 There are all sorts of things in our skies that we don't know what they are, 802 00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:34,720 and I think they could pose an issue for flight safety. 803 00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:36,720 Commercial pilots are getting concerned. 804 00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:41,720 They have sometimes hundreds of people, litter their life is in their hands. 805 00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:45,720 You have in the back of that aircraft families and husbands and wives 806 00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:48,720 and children and brothers and sisters and sons and daughters. 807 00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:52,720 It is an increasingly prominent issue, 808 00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:57,720 so it is important for pilots to report this information 809 00:38:57,720 --> 00:38:59,720 so that action can be taken. 810 00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:02,720 But Elizondo still wants to know, 811 00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:05,720 are UFOs specifically targeting commercial aircraft? 812 00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:08,720 And if so, why? 813 00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:11,720 Is there an inherent interest, as we have seen, 814 00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:17,720 between UFO activity and, let's say, our nuclear capabilities or our military aircraft? 815 00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:22,720 And is that connection the same between UFOs and commercial aircraft? 816 00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:24,720 I really don't know. 817 00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:26,720 The more data we have, 818 00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:31,720 the more we will have to work with to hopefully determine an answer 819 00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:34,720 to find a solution of what these things really are. 820 00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:35,720 But at the same time, 821 00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:38,720 we're not going to find out what these are unless they report it. 822 00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:42,720 While airline pilots like Scott Goodnow and Peter Kuriazas 823 00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:45,720 have come forward to report what they've seen, 824 00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:48,720 many still feel afraid to speak out. 825 00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:54,720 I think the airlines is really where the issue is for most commercial pilots 826 00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:56,720 concerned about their career. 827 00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:02,720 It's clear that they haven't had a culture that encourages reporting in candor on this topic. 828 00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:06,720 Too often, unfortunately, the climate has not been favorable 829 00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:09,720 simply to telling the truth and reporting what you're seeing. 830 00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:13,720 There's a certain persona, especially major airline pilots. 831 00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:18,720 We want to be seen as pragmatic, logical, calculating, predictable. 832 00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:24,720 And some of these things move into an area that might have some people think 833 00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:29,720 that's a little more of a fancy and maybe there's a little bit of a stigma to it. 834 00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:32,720 You know, like, oh, I got this crazy pilot, you know. 835 00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:35,720 Whether you're American Airlines or Delta or any other carrier, 836 00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:40,720 you should encourage your pilots to report something if they don't know what it is. 837 00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:44,720 There are more commercial aircraft over the lower 48 states 838 00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:46,720 than there are military aircraft at any given time. 839 00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:49,720 So commercial pilots are really our eyes in the sky. 840 00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:53,720 They should feel enabled to report that information 841 00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:56,720 without fear of retribution or consequences. 842 00:40:57,720 --> 00:41:00,720 I had an opportunity to come in and talk about something that I think is very important. 843 00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:01,720 It's the safety of flight. 844 00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:09,720 It's an issue of safety when it comes to these objects coming as close as they do to these civilian airplanes. 845 00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:10,720 The public doesn't know. 846 00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:11,720 Oh, the public doesn't know. 847 00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:13,720 It was very scary. 848 00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:19,720 Yeah, because when you have an object within 50 feet of an aircraft moving at 35,000 feet at 550 knots, 849 00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:23,720 at 50 feet, that's not good. 850 00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:26,720 It's a significant thing where I can never forget it. 851 00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:31,720 There's 15 minutes out of a 30-year career that will forever last in your head.